Saturday, January 5, 2013

Top Song Defenses: POS

Please post the final round of song defense feedback as a comment here (remember to include the speaker's use of ethos, pathos, and logos).

16 comments:

HannahLab said...

Zack Sicard - Crash Into Me - Dave Matthews Band

Ethos- Gives credit. Billboard 1997 Best rock performance

Logos- Brother saw in concert and said it was the best performance he had ever seen

Pathos- Talked about how the song is good for love and relationships


Taylor Portanova - Sweet Caroline -Neil Diamond

Ethos- Gives credit to Neil Diamond and the song for being so popular.

Logos- Inspired by Caroline Kennedy because he saw her in a magazine and symbolic of Boston.

Pathos- Played at many sporting events.

Ashley Boulos - Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell

Ethos- Joni has won 15 grammy awards. Was supposed to plat at Woodstock.

Logos- Good overall message "Dont know what you've got til' its gone."

Pathos- Redone by the Counting Crows. Shows how popular the song was.

Ashley said...

1.
Defender: Zack Sicard
Song: Crash into me
Artist: Dave Mathews Band
Ethos: Talks about relationships
Pathos: Brother saw Dave Matthews Band live
Logos: Popular Artist
Feedback: Good job explaining why you liked the song, you could have talked a little more about the band though.

2.
Defender: Taylor Portanova
Song: Sweet Caroline
Artist: Neil Diamond
Ethos: Inspired by a photo of Caroline Kennedy in a People Magazine in the late 60's.
Pathos: Played at many sporting events symbolic of Boston
Logos: Everyone from Boston knows the song
Feedback: Good job explaining the song and the Ethos, Pathos, and Logos individually

Ashley Boulos

HannahLab said...

Zack Sicard - Crash Into Me - Dave Matthews Band

Ethos- Gives credit. Billboard 1997 Best rock performance

Logos- Brother saw in concert and said it was the best performance he had ever seen

Pathos- Talked about how the song is good for love and relationships


Taylor Portanova - Sweet Caroline -Neil Diamond

Ethos- Gives credit to Neil Diamond and the song for being so popular.

Logos- Inspired by Caroline Kennedy because he saw her in a magazine and symbolic of Boston.

Pathos- Played at many sporting events.

Ashley Boulos - Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell

Ethos- Joni has won 15 grammy awards. Was supposed to plat at Woodstock.

Logos- Good overall message "Dont know what you've got til' its gone."

Pathos- Redone by the Counting Crows. Shows how popular the song was.

Kayla said...

Zack's:
Ethos-reminded him of his brother
Pathos-mending relationships
Logos-Billboard song
Feedback-You mentioned everything; short, sweet,and to the point.

Taylor's:
Ethos-Caroline Kennedy
Pathos-Talk about how it relates to Boston
Logos-Everyone around here knows the song
Feedback-You just listed everything, other than that good.

Ashley:
Ethos-Talked about Joni's awards
Pathos-Talked about its relatability
Logos-Discussed the cover
Feedback-Just listed everything, other than that well done.

jake hallgren said...

Zach Sicard Dave Matthew’s Band-Crash Into Me

Relates to anyone who wants to mend past relationships
Has won a ton of awards
Needs a little more explanation but otherwise good job.

Taylor Neil Diamond- Sweet Caroline
Inspired by Caroline Kennedy because he saw a picture of her
Played at many boston sporting events and is symbolic of boston
Everyone from Boston knows this song
Good job explaining everything and nice song choice

Ashley Joni Mitchell- Big Yellow Taxi
Joni has won 15 grammys
Supposed to play in Woodstock
Has a good message and you don’t realize wat you have till its gone
So popular that it has been remade a few times

Seth Killingbeck said...

Defender:Zack S. Song: Crash Into Me Artist: Dave Matthews Band

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ETHOS

Best Rock Group nomination










PATHOS

Relatable to romantic feelings











LOGOS
Really good performers









Feedback for peer: A bit slow for my taste as well as some…questionable metaphors, but a decent song for sure.




Defender: Song: Sweet Caroline Artist:Neil Diamond

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ETHOS

Inspired by Caroline Kennedy











PATHOS
Symbolic









LOGOS Heritage, very relatable to the city of Boston








Feedback for peer: A bit slow but it has beautiful lyrics.




Defender: Ashley B Song: Big Yellow Taxi Artist:Joni Mitchell

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ETHOS
Won 15 grammy awards almost palyed at Woodstock












PATHOS
Taking things for granted












LOGOS
Covered by many bands









Feedback for peer: Very nice little song with a good message.



Moonwaves182 said...

50 The Poetry of Song
Top Song Defenses: Ethos, Pathos, and Logos
Rubric and Peer Review Packet

My Name: Matthew Litchfield

Defender: Zach Song: Crash Into Me Artist: Dave Matthews Band
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ETHOS Billboard top something
PATHOS Song brother saw in concert
LOGOS
TOTAL 7/9
Feedback for peer:
I think I missed part of your argument for the song, because all I heard was something about Billboard and your brother seeing it in a concert (which are both good things to say). Try to make the class more aware of your presence.


Defender: Taylor P Song: Sweet Caroline Artist: Neil Diamond
ETHOS Neil Diamond about Caroline Kennedy (saw her in People magazine)
PATHOS Emotional song
LOGOS Symbolic of Boston
TOTAL 6/9
Feedback for peer:
I liked your argument for your song because it’s symbolic of Boston – go Mass! But in terms of the best song in history, a region specific song might not be the best in the world.

Defender: Ashley B Song: Big Yellow Taxi Artist: Joni Mitchell
ETHOS Popular by the band
PATHOS People take things for granted
LOGOS
TOTAL 8/9
Feedback for peer:
I’ve never heard that song before, but I liked it a lot. Good defense – people definitely take things for granted.

Beck Gerritsen said...

Defender: Zach S Song: Crash Into Me Artist: Dave Matthews Band

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ETHOS Talks about how his brother saw the band live and said it was the best performance he’d seen


PATHOS Talks about how the song relates to anyone who has been in a relationship




LOGOS Talks about how the song was nominated for best rock performance


Feedback for peer: The song might have a somewhat limited audience since not everyone has been in a relationship before.




Defender: Taylor P Song: Sweet Caroline Artist: Neil Diamond

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ETHOS




PATHOS




LOGOS Says that it is played at many sporting events and many people know the song


Feedback for peer: You seem to be slightly confused as to what ethos pathos and logos are.



Defender: Ashley B Song: Big Yellow Taxi Artist: Joni Mitchell

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ETHOS



PATHOS Talks about the message of “You don’t know what you’ve got ‘till it’s gone”



LOGOS Talks about the popularity of the artist

Feedback for peer: You seem to have given ethos to the artist instead of yourself.

Jamie Weaver said...

Defender: Ashley B
Song: Big Yellow Taxi
Artist: Joni Mitchell
Ethos- won 15 grammys
Pathos- good overall message
Pathos- redone by another band
Good explanation of the credibility of the song and the success.

Defender: Taylor
Song: Sweet Caroline
Artist: Neil Diamond
Ethos-inspired by a photo of Caroline Kennedy in a People Magazine in the late 60's
Pathos-Played at many sporting events including the Red Sox games in the middle of the 7th inning. A happy uplifting song appealing to many people
Logos-Symbolic of Boston and it's love for sports
Good explanation of the background of the song and why it’s important

Defender: Zack
Song: Crash Into Me
Artist: Dave Matthews Band
Ethos-Reminds him of his brother
Pathos-Relatable to anyone in relationships
Logos-Top song
Feedback for peer: Nice explanation of how you relate to the song and what it means to you.

Twixxxxxxxx said...

http://twixxxxxxxx.blogspot.com/2013/01/defense-rubric.html my whole rubric

melanie morris said...

Defender:Zach S Song: Crash Into Me Artist: Dave Matthews Band


ETHOS
His brother saw it live and said it was an amazing performance, really likes the band


PATHOS
Wanting to repair a relationship-relatable


LOGOS
Billboard list, pretty popular



Feedback for peer: This is a really good song, and it’s good that you mentioned how you like the band a lot and how your brother saw it live. It was also pretty popular so that helps to defend it.




Defender: Tayl Song: Sweet Caroline Artist: Neil Diamond


ETHOS
Inspired by a picture of Caroline Kennedy

PATHOS
Very popular, many people know it locally

LOGOS
Everyone seems to have heard it or knows it



Feedback for peer: You did an ok job explaining it but you did not relate it to yourself on a personal level. Otherwise it was good, I never knew that that was who it was written about! Maybe try connecting it in broader terms instead of just Boston.




Defender: Song: Big Yellow Taxi Artist: Joni Mitchell


ETHOS
Really likes the song

PATHOS
Relatable, has a message

LOGOS
Singer has won many awards, is a very popular song


Feedback for peer: You did a good job on covering all of the points, You maybe needed to relate it to a personal level more but other than that good job.

Andrew Morse said...

Defender: Zach S Song: Crash Into Me Artist: Dave Matthews Band

ETHOS - Brother saw it - 2
PATHOS - about relationships - 2
LOGOS - Billboard top song - 2

Feedback for peer: Good defense, good connection to the concert.

Defender: Taylor P Song: Sweet Caroline Artist: Neil Diamond

Ethos - - 1
Pathos - About girl/ love - 2
Logos - Symbolic, Boston area knows song - 2
Feedback for peer: good choice very famous song.

Defender: Ashley B Song: Big Yellow Taxi Artist: Joni Mitchell

Ethos - 1
Pathos - Speaker connected to symbolic meaning - 2
Logos - Won 16 grammys, Song redone - 3
Feedback for peer: good artist, good points for logos.

Zachary Freedman said...

Zack Sicard - Crash Into Me - Dave Matthews Band

Ethos - a famous song with a top of the billboards places.

Logos - Brother saw in concert.

Pathos - Talked about how it relates to him, and his family.

Taylor Portanova - Sweet Caroline - Neil Diamond

Ethos - Gives good credit to the artist for allowing the song to gain so much fame.

Logos - Inspired by Caroline Kennedy

Pathos - Played in boston, and at many sports events.

Ashley Boulos - Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell

Ethos - She has won 15 grammys.

Logos - Good Idea, thoughts, and information on the artist.

Pathos - Someone redid the song because of how good it is.

Anonymous said...

LEVI KAHN
The Poetry of Song
Top Song Defenses: Ethos, Pathos, and Logos
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My Name:

Defender: Ashley Liebherr Song: Drops of Jupiter Artist: Train

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ETHOS


Train is famous, popular group
Speaker is credible because song is about his own feelings
PATHOS
LOGOS
Feedback for peer: Good job selecting a song and defending your choice, but you should go into more detail for each category when describing the ethos, pathos, and logos for the song.

Defender: Doug McKeen Song: American Pie Artist: Don McLean

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ETHOS

Abstract story of his life and the times
PATHOS
LOGOS
Feedback for peer: Great song and explanation of the song was solid. Defense of ethos, pathos, and logos was clear and straight forward.


Defender: Seth K. Song: Valley of the Kings Artist: Gamma Ray

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ETHOS


Great background and story of band.
PATHOS

LOGOS
Not stereotypical metal song or lyrics.


Feedback for peer: Interesting song and good job explaining and giving background on the band and the song.



Defender: Jake Hallgren Song: Livin On a Prayer Artist: Bon Jovi

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ETHOS

Good message, make it through tough times


PATHOS


Appeals to audience, very popular/famous


LOGOS

One of most listened to and bought songs on itunes 26 years after its release
Feedback for peer:

Anonymous said...

LEVI KAHN
Defender: Shin F. Song: We As Americans Artist: Eminem

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ETHOS


Police are never there when he needs then, always there to arrest him

PATHOS


Many people have this feeling across the world and USA


LOGOS


Eminem is the greatest rapper ever, multi-platinum

Feedback for peer: Good explanation and defense, find edited version next time.




Defender: Connor R Song: Closing Time Artist: Semi-Sonic

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ETHOS


Everyone knows and likes this song

PATHOS

LOGOS


Very famous, widely known song

Feedback for peer: No mention of pathos in explanation, but good song choice and explanation.




Defender: Matt L. Song: 100 Years Artist: Five for Fighting

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ETHOS

Top of the charts for a long time


PATHOS


Very emotional, appeals to mortality of humans

LOGOS

Appreciate what you have now, very good message
Very popular song

Feedback for peer: Very good song choice, also explanation was clear and made sense.

Defender: Andrew Morse Song: Police and Thieves Artist: The Clash

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ETHOS


Author understands both sides of argument

PATHOS


People can relate to this song and its message of justice and the police system
LOGOS


Famous song, popular argument

Feedback for peer: Interesting song choice
Defender: Kayla G. Song: Let it Be Artist: The Beatles

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ETHOS


Greatest, most famous, most popular band of all time

PATHOS


Sad, appeals to emotions of everyone in tough times or struggling, universal theme


LOGOS

Very famous, often played song


Feedback for peer: Great choice of song, interesting facts about the band, good explanation and defense also.




Defender: Nicole M. Song: Don’t Fear the Reaper Artist: Blue Oyster Cult

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ETHOS


No one can escape death, incredibly famous song
PATHOS


Eternal power, trying to escape death, universal message
LOGOS


Very popular song, universal theme


Feedback for peer: Great choice of song, very good defense, background, and explanation of the meaning of the song.



Defender: Melanie M. Song: The Grand Finale Artist: Set it Off

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ETHOS

Can’t control bad things, universal theme


PATHOS



Meaning relates to relevant topics, appeals to victims of tragedy such as school shooting


LOGOS


Reflects on tough times, bad things out of our control

Feedback for peer: Cool song and interesting explanation and description of the song.



Defender: Jaime Weaver Song: Never Grow Up Artist: Taylor Swift

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ETHOS


About her life and her experiences, shows her feelings, very famous/popular artist


PATHOS


Appeals to everyone, wants to stay young all their life with the things they love


LOGOS


Shows her feelings, relates to others’ feelings


Feedback for peer: Song has one point of view, good explanation and good relation to the lives of everyone.

Anonymous said...

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PATHOS


Funny, relatable to all different types of people and genres of music
LOGOS


Very popular song and artist

Feedback for peer: Good song choice and good explanation. Could have defended the song better



Defender: Zack F. Song: Pure Imagination Artist: Richie Cunning

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ETHOS


Underground rap artist, widespread fan base






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PATHOS


Relates to Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, everyone can imagine happier things






1


2


3



LOGOS


Seems to be in tune with reality and raps with great personality





1


2


3
TOTAL
/9

Feedback for peer: Unique song choice and excellent explanation for your choice of song.




Defender: Derek F. Song: Ambition Artist: Wale

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ETHOS


Popular song, expresses the best part of rap talking about their struggle in life and how it helps them now






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3



PATHOS


Appeals to ambition and power of everyday people striving for better things






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3



LOGOS


Contains the best part of rap





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3
TOTAL
/9

Feedback for peer: Great song choice, great explanation and defense as well.




Defender: Beck Song: Calling Lightning with a Scythe Artist: Howlin Rain

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ETHOS


Not popular, but still a great band and create interesting music that can affect everyone






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PATHOS



Relates to broad themes such as war and destruction that everyone faces





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3



LOGOS

Intricate musical structure






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3
TOTAL
/9

Feedback for peer: Unique song choice, solid defense of why you chose this song and why it is your top song of all time.




Defender: Dannaie Song: Don’t Let Me Get Me Artist: Pink

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ETHOS


Pink is a very successful and popular artist






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PATHOS


Everyone wishes to be someone else for a day, universal idea, people are better than they think they are






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LOGOS








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3
TOTAL
/9

Feedback for peer: Good song choice, but discuss ethos and logos more.



Defender: Anthony Song: Hotel California Artist: The Eagles

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ETHOS


Very popular song from a very popular band






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PATHOS


Appeals to emotions of all listeners






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LOGOS


Eagles are very successful and have been around for almost 40 years





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TOTAL
/9

Feedback for peer: Classic song, could have explained it more.



Defender: Hannah L. Song: Slide Artist: The Goo Goo Dolls

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ETHOS


Song has always been popular, reached #1

PATHOS


Emotional song, touches everyone

LOGOS


Famous song, #1 hit
Feedback for peer: Great song choice, good explanation of song and interesting facts also.


Defender: Zack Sicard Song: Crash Into Me Artist: Dave Mathews Band

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ETHOS


Very popular band, sold millions of records

PATHOS


Appeals to emotions and feelings of writer and audience
LOGOS


Famous song, big hit on the charts
Feedback for peer: Great song choice, great explanation.


Defender: Taylor P. Song: Sweet Caroline Artist: Neil Diamond

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ETHOS


Famous artist, very popular singer

PATHOS


Happy, appeals to joyful audience

LOGOS


Famous hit song, popular in Boston especially
Feedback for peer: Famous song choice, interesting explanation and facts about song.



Defender: Ashley B. Song: Big Yellow Taxi Artist: Joni Mitchell

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ETHOS


Famous, popular artist in 60s and 70s
PATHOS


Appeals to emotions of the audience and listeners


LOGOS


Great song, very popular
Feedback for peer: Interesting song choice, good explanation.