1. Provide 3 interesting facts regarding Samuel Coleridge and the background of The Rime of the Ancient Mariner.
2. What qualities make Coleridge's poem appropriate for its conversion to a metal song?
3. Which poetic devices are sacrificed through this conversion?
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1. The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is the longest poem he wrote. Coleridge had an addiction to opium, therefore, that may have been the cause for the strange sections of the poem. He is considered to be one of the founders of the period of romanticism, however, The Rime is not considered to fall in this catergory.
2. The poem is an epic that tells a story. It's poetic devices provide for an easy tranfomation from poem to rock song.
3. The poem's details will be sacrificed through the conversion. Some of the ambiguity is lost. The song just tells the story from the poem, without its language use and diction.
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a. He was born in 1772.
b. He is considered a Romantic author.
c. The abatross cliche was derived from his epic poem.
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The roughness of the sea and the blood and gore content make it perfect to be in a metal song. The length is also perfect because alot of metal rockers like to make long drawn out rock ballads.
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I really did'nt notice alot of sacrifice in regaurds to the poetic devices. I find them to be quite strong in the Iron Maiden song. I actually think its a really great thing they did to the poem. I guess you can say they cut out some symbolism from the poem. However, overall the song is really good in showing the emotion and lit. devices from the poem.
P.S. THE SHIP SOUNDS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SONG ARE AMAZING!!!
1. It's the opening poem of the first edition of Lyrical Ballads. Coleridge was one of the founders of the Romantic movement. He was the youngest of ten childre.
2. The mistery and the darkness of the poem make it appropriate for a metal song.
3. Through this conversion, poetic devices are sacraficed to an extend. There are less poetic devices in general. Some of the ones sacraficed are similie, paradox, and personification. The song lyrics are a lot more straight forward than the poem is.
1) Interesting facts
a)Samuel Coleridge, along with William Wadsworth founded the romantic movement in England.
b) The Rime of the Ancient Mariner could have been influenced by James Cook's 2nd voyage of the South Seas and the Pacific Ocean.
c)While he was writing this epic he was a full-blown opium addict and had no money and nothing to his name.
2) I think that the Mystery in the poem makes it a good choice for a metal song. The poem kinds of just leads you along and you just go with the flow. I really liked the song.
3) I think the song is alot different than the poem. The conversion loses one thing. The Romanticism. The poem is very romantic and it is obvious that it comes from the movememt in England. The song is a lot more modern and dark. I picture the band playing on a stormy night on a run down ship. But i picture the poem in a different place. But I can relate to the song more than i can relate to the poem.
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a.) He’s from England and wrote the poem in 1797-1798 which explains some of the terms and spellings of words and whatnot.
b.) It’s said that the poem was perhaps inspired by James Cook’s second voyage of exploration in 1772-1775.
c.) He was also on opium which explains some of the extravagant events in the poem.
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This poem jumps around a lot and has many weird occurrences, much like many metal songs. Also, metal groups are often on drugs, like many poets. So, perhaps they had a better understanding of what Coleridge was trying to say and such.
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Is rhyming one? There was a lot of that going on… some were a bit of a stretch, but he still managed to make it work. I also found similes, metaphors, imagery, irony, and allusion. The poem also contains that thing where you see colors when certain things are said; the term escapes me at the moment. And finally, this is not a poetic device, but I learned that “kirk” is a Scottish word for church. That’s kind of strange that he used this when he was most definitely an English poet.
1.) INTERESTING FACTS:
1. "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" is one of Coleridge's most popular poems and was originally published anonymously.
2. Many people believe that Coleridge was under the influence of opium while writing some parts of this poem.
3. Coleridge wrote this poem along with friend/colleague William Wordsworth.
2.) APPROPRIATE QUALITIES:
The poem is about death and curses, such as most metal songs are. The gloomy mood of the poem also contributes to the reason why the poem contains appropriate qualities for a metal song.
3.) POETIC DEVICES SACRIFICED:
A lot of imagery and dialogue in the poem is sacrificed when it is transformed into a song. The descriptions of the scenes and the mood in the poem greatly contributed to its eerie feeling. The dialogue gave the reader a better sense of what was happening by reading the conversation between the characters. Both poetic devices are either absent or severly minimized in the song by Iron Maiden.
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a). Was Samuel Coleridge's longest peom ever to construct.
b).Was inspired by James Cook's second voyage of exploration of the South Seas and the Pacific Ocean. William Wales,Coleridge's tutor, was the astronomer on Cook's flagship and shared a very close relationship with Cook.
c).Some believe the poem is a metaphor for an original sin.
2. Qualities that make Coleridge's poem appropriate for its conversion to a metal song is the fact that its main focal point is around death and bad wheather. Metal songs are usually considered to be dark and carry a strong, angry, or depressing theme. So, this poem makes a perfect match for a metal song due to the theme it portrays. For instance, you would not be able to have this poem go to a happy, go-lucky song that you would hear if you were listening to a song about love and dandilions!
3. Poetic devices are sacrificed through this conversion. Some include alliteration, imagery, local color, repitition, and allusion.
-Laura Ready
Questions:
1. Provide 3 interesting facts regarding Samuel Coleridge and the background of The Rime of the Ancient Mariner.
2. What qualities make Coleridge's poem appropriate for its conversion to a metal song?
3. Which poetic devices are sacrificed through this conversion?
1.) Samuel Coleridge's background information of 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner', is quite interesting in the aspect that he describes the scenery; 'And ice, mast-high, came floating by, As green as Emerald, And through the drifts the snowy clifts, did send a dismal sheen: Nor shapes of men nor beasts we ken - The ice was all between'. So this gives the reader the sense that the man is drifting on his ship into a place unknown that is very cold, without telling the reader that it is Antartica. Coleridge also uses the cold to refurre to death, and starvation; 'Water, water, every where, And all the boards did shrink, Water, water, every where, But not a drop to drink', 'There passed a weary time. Each throat was parched'. Coleridge's details are phenomenal that they 'show' yet not tell.
2.) The dark, eerie and twisted qualities in Coleridge's song definitally make it appropriate for a metal song. In the sense that a country song, or a rap song could not contain the darkness that lurks inside the poem. Therefore, metal, being the music genra for all dark and twisted stories alike is completely enable to capture and bring out the darkness with in the poem, not only from the vocals of the song, but also the deep rythm and beats of Iron Maiden's guitars and mood produced.
3.) The converstation between 'First Voice' and 'Second Voice' contains a few poetic devices. Some being, puns, '[Second Voice] See, brother, see! how graciusly She looketh down on him', this could be taken as though death is looking down upon the man or an angel is. There also is a sense of foreshadowing, '[Second Voice] Fly, brother, fly! more high, more high! Or we shall be belated: For slow and slow the ship will go,' this is refurring to how each of his men will die, if he does not go down with his ship. Amoung many other poetic devices in the conversation, those two to me stuck out the most.
1. The poem was written in 1797-1798 and was published in the first edition of "Lyrical Ballads".
2. Coleridge was supposedly inspired by the book "A Village Round the World by Way of the Great South Sea", in which a sailor shoots an albatross.
3. It is also believed that the poem may have been inspired by James Cook's second voyage of exploration through the South Sea and the Pacific Ocean, and Thomas James' voyage into the Arctic.
Converting the poem into a metal song is somewhat appropriate because of the supernatural, eery feel of the tale. The ghostly ship, Death, and Life in Death all make for a powerful story thats intensity and suspense can be emphasized through the addition of speedy guitars and powerful vocals.
The point of view is changed between the original poem and the song. We hear dialogue in the poem and the perspective changes. The song is more of a narration of the story, from a third-person perspective. The song also takes away much of the imagery that the poem possesses because it is greatly shortened and condensed.
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-Coleridge is often seen as "the most intellectual of the English romantics". "The Rime of The Ancient Mariner" is romantic poetry.
-It is not the killing of the bird that is wrong but the manner's destructive realtionship with nature that is in error in Coleridge's poem. Throughout his life Coleridge himself had a vary destructive life. Coleridge abused alcohol but more dramatically, opium. Colerdige lost his closes freidns and family because of this and lived with a doctor because hen was on the verge of suicide.
- Coleridge seems to be a very dark person according to online biograpgies that had letters from Coleridge's old friends concerning him, so it is understandable that we wrote such a dark, dramatic poem.
3. Coleridge's poem is appropraite to be converted to a metal song because the plot is very dark and unfortunate. Pop music, and other upbeat, happy tunes would not match up with the story line of this poem. I think that Iron Maiden was a good band to cover this poem in a song.
1. Three interesting facts regarding Samuel Coleridge and the background of The Rime of the Ancient Mariner:
1. The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is Coleridge's longest major poem
2. shift to modern poetry, beginnings of British Romantic literature
3. set a new style by using everyday language and new/fresh ways of looking at nature
2. Coleridge's poem is appropriate for its conversion to a metal song because it is meaningful and has a message to give the reader, though it focuses more on negative aspects or events that led to the message being understood by the reader. It focuses more on death and curses instead of maybe love or happiness.
3. Poetic devices that are sacrificed through this conversion include imagery, exposition, diction, dialogue, point of view, and the tone of the story changes.
1. One interesting fact is that by the end of the poem we find out that the man telling the story is the mariner. Another interesting fact is that each object is really different than what it’s supposed to be. For example, the hermit is made to sound like it’s a priest. The last interesting fact is that it was inspired by a different person.
2. I think the song was appropriate to be a metal song because it has to do with death, and curses. I don’t think any pop or rap signer would sing it as well as Iron Maiden does.
3. A poetic device used in both the poem and the song is personification because it gives a bird human quality almost.
1. The Rime of the Ancient Mariner was one of the leading pieces that started British Romantic literature. Coleridge was an opium addict who would use up to two quarts of laudanum a week which could explain his unusual writing style. Also, the most famous line in the poem is, "water water everywhere and not a drop to drink."
2. The powerful imagery throughout the poem, as well as the sometimes depressing and dark moods and tones allow for it to be transformed into a well written metal song.
3. For not being a big metal fan, Iron Maiden did a really good job in transforming the epic poem into a song. Granted they had to cut out most diction and some of the personification, it is mostly an overall summary of the poem. Plus if one does not fully understand the poem, the song creates great images and explanations of the poem.
The Rime
1.) The first interesting fact about the poem is he shots the albatross. The second is the crew forces him to wear the dead Albatross. The third is they play dice for lives/souls like they do in the pirates of the Caribbean movie.
2.) I think the qualities that it has to be a metal song are that it talks about death and being cursed like sometimes portrayed in most metal songs. I think because of what the poem is taking about that this song is very appropriate for a metal song
3.) The main poetic device I thought was lost in the conversion of the song was the point of view in the poem
-Patrick Traverse
Facts
1.The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is an epic, a poem that tells a story.
2.The poem is said to be based on a mariner's famous journey in the late 1700's.
3.The poem is the poet's longest poem he wrote.
Tranformation into a song
The fact that the song is about death, with the use of drugs added, make it into shift rather well into a rock song.
Poetic Devices
The poem's imagery is lost when it is turned into a song, as imagery is difficult for a song to have; also the point of view from is different in the song from the poem.
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Coolridge was born in 1772, and is considered a romantic author. The rime of Ancient Mariner is the longest poem he has ever written. When he was writting this, he was addicted to opium and had no money to his name.
TWO:
The gore and gruesome content make for a "wickeddd killaaaa" metal song. The length of the song is also another thing that adds to its effect. also, it is very dark.
THREE:
The emotion shown in the song is great. the conversation however, takes a way from the romantic scence. Some literary terms that are sacraficed are similies, paradox's, and personification. The song lyrics were more straight forward than the poem.
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